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Date Posted:06/21/2014 3:43 PMCopy HTML

Let me ask you is JESUS LORD? Can you say with your heart that JESUS is LORD?


Warning: Long post. If long posts are too much for you, may I suggest that you SKIP THIS ONE.

First, the word Lord means:

Master or, one ruling over another. While it can most certainly indicate 'deity', it, by and of the nature of the word itself DOES NOT of a necessity indicate 'deity'.

While on the other hand, the word God is pretty clear.

So if Christ is God, why use evasive words to describe Him? Instead of Lord, why not GOD?

But there are words used to describe Christ PERFECTLY. Offered by Christ Himself and His apostles: The Son of God.

Oh my. Right off the BAT, one that states that those who DO NOT believe in 'trinity' are VOID of the Holy Spirit. Better yet, not even a matter of 'trinity' so much, but that Jesus IS GOD Himselft.

Well, that's kind of funny. For there is more evidence offered in the Bible, (God's Word as delivered by Prophet, Son and apostles), that indicates that Our God is the SAME God OF Christ, than evidence offering that Christ IS God. In other words, God is Christ's God as well as Our God. The Father of Christ IS God. The Son prayed TO HIS GOD. The Son was SENT BY His God: The Father. And Christ openly stated that the power He possessed was GIVEN HIM by His Father. That the words that He offered WERE NOT HIS OWN, but given Him BY The Father.

And I don't believe that one with or without the Holy Spirit would have a difficult time recognizing and understanding these offerings by CHRIST HIMSELF.

The Holy Spirit reveals the TRUTH. And the truth is, there is NO SUCH USE of the word 'trinity' contained with a SINGLE book of the Bible. Regardless of what men have tried to force others to believe, IF 'trinity' were AS important as certain 'churches' and 'people' INSIST that it it, I am quite sure that God, His prophets, His OWN SON, and the apostles were WELL equipped to have been able to introduce it. Yet not a SINGLE one of them did so.

So that leaves me with a choice between a couple of conclusions: One: there is NO SUCH THING as 'trinity' except in the minds and hearts of those that have 'bought into such a belief'. Or Two: God is incapable of revealing what He REALLY means so that men need to come along after Him and develop His ideas FOR HIM.

For if one does but a cursory study of 'trinity' or the idea that Christ IS God, one finds that the idea didn't even begin to be developed in the 'churches' until LONG AFTER the death of Christ. The apostles certainly weren't teaching that Jesus IS God. 

For as there are two COMPLETELY opposed schools of thought TODAY on this issue, there were those shortly after the time of Christ that were willing to DIE rather than accept this concept of Jesus IS God, once it was introduced.

The concept of 'trinity' was FORCED upon the 'church'. It was not something that was automatically assumed or believed previous to it's introduction by ROMAN clerics. And this is clear to anyone that studies the HISTORY of 'trinity'. That Jesus is 'of the same essence as God' was determined by a pagan Emperor. An Emperor who later flip flopped on the concept and reinstated Arius, a Bishop that had been previously ex-communicated for his opposing views.

IF Christ IS God, Co-Eternal, Co-Equal, then WHY did Christ openly STATE that the power He possessed, the words that He offered were NOT HIS OWN, but given Him BY God? It would seem that if Christ were God Himself, these attributes would have been His since eternity. Yet we have the words of Christ Himself STATING that these things were GIVEN to Him by His Father.

Acts 2:36King James Version (KJV)

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


So, God MADE another God? or God made HIMSELF? No, what the scripture states is that God MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ. Our Lord and Messiah, (Savior). And folks, for those that struggle with this concept, what does the word MADE mean?


What we can view and use to determine the TRUE nature of this concept is this: LOOK at how it was introduced to mankind. By men TO men. And not merely introduced, but intimidation, torture and murder used to instill it in the hearts of those under the control of an 'organized religion'. Not merely introduced and allowed to become a part of a 'religion', but forced upon the congregation to the point that one had NO CHOICE but to accept it or be persecuted.


Even today, those that have been TAUGHT this concept choosing to label those that have NOT as heretics or unsaved or being void of the Holy Spirit.


I have accepted Christ as my Savior. I BELIEVE wholeheartedly that Jesus was/IS the Son of God. I believe that God is the Father of Christ. Yet there are those that insist that Jesus is God and that if I do NOT accept this, I am somehow of a LESSER follower than those that DO. Yet the Bible does NOT teach this. The Bible does not ONCE state that a follower MUST believe that Jesus IS God. It specifically states: The Son of God.


So, can following the Word of God really 'get in the way' of a TRUE follower? I believe that this is exactly what the word 'follower' means. To follow as offered in Word and example. And no where within the pages of the Bible are we commanded to BELIEVE that Jesus IS God in order to be followers. Only when MEN become involved in the equation, from an EXTRA-Biblical sense, do we find this attempted persuasion to believe that Jesus IS God Himself.

I have studied the Bible for close to twenty years now. I accepted Christ into my heart before I started studying it. I was 'born again' over 15 years ago. Not once has it been revealed to me that Jesus IS God. A part of the Godhead, no doubt, but no such concept as 'trinity' as been revealed to me other than the TRUTH of it's origins and NATURE of the reason it was 'created' by those that created it.

For someone to accuse myself or others of being void of the Holy Spirit simply for refusing to accept ideas or concepts created 'by men' OUTSIDE of scripture is not only an insult to those so offended, but an insult to Christ and His Father as well. For if THEY have been unable to reveal this concept, then they must be awful WEAK and ineffectual indeed. Also indicative of the methods used in an attempt to FORCE others to believe in it.

I certainly do NOT believe that an acceptance or understanding of 'trinity' to be NECESSARY to accept Christ into their hearts. Since even those that supposedly BELIEVE in 'trinity' openly admit that it is a 'mystery', then a complete understanding of it isn't necessary for THEM EITHER. For there can BE NO complete understanding of ANYTHING that is a MYSTERY.

And to anyone that insist that 'trinity' WAS introduced by God, through His prophets, Son or apostles, all it would take to refute what I offer would be to OFFER the scriptures stating the existence of 'trinity'. Since there aren't ANY, the obvious indication is that the concept was introduced 'extra-Biblical', (outside of what we have been offered in the Bible). And trying to compare the lack of existence of the word Bible to the word 'trinity'.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one LordJesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

For 'trinity' to exist as offered, such scripture as the one offered above are QUITE confusing. One God, AND One Lord. Not One God WHO IS Lord, But one God AND one Lord. Offering an obvious and undeniable DISTINCTION in both character and entity. All things are OF God. All things BY Christ. Thus we KNOW that the Father: God is GREATER than the Son: Christ.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Throughout the entire NT there is the term used: God the Father. Not ONCE in the Bible is the term God the Son used. Yet those that insist upon 'trinity' USE this term God the Son as IF it were a PART of scripture.

So regardless of what men have taught other men to believe, the concept of 'trinity' only exists within the hearts of those that 'created it' and those that have accepted their teachings. It certainly isn't offered OUTRIGHT in the Bible. And I am a FIRM believer that if it was not created and TAUGHT by men to men, men wouldn't even know of it's existence so far as FAITH is concerned. Certainly not from a strictly Biblical perspective.

There is a word used in the Bible to describe all that pertains to God: Godhead. I would think that THIS WORD would be ENOUGH without the NEED to go beyond it in a futile attempt to create a BETTER understanding. For 'trinity' does NOT offer a 'better' understanding, only a DIFFERENT understanding. For when EVERYTHING is 'said and done', 'trinity' is STILL as much a mystery as Godhead. Yet the word Godhead IS offered in the Bible.

Blessings,

MEC

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